Why in the world do toons insist on doing this? There is nothing that bugs me more than seeing toons stand behind the crane waiting for you to get hit so they can take your spot. And then when he finally got her spot she moved behind him waiting for him to get hit.. Sheesh!

Could they have been the same operator? That would enable her to crane nonstop.

Actually I know this person and she is running both toons. She is very nice and would have meant no harm in it at all.

Lois I love your ability to try to see both sides of a story.

I honestly would not have thought of that and would have assumed the sme thing Pinkersmirk did and been angry about it.

It brings up another issue though, I think it has been discussed on TTC but only in the "nice" TTC way -- is it right to bring 2 toons into a CCG run? I do have friends who do it but then have their spouse or kids take over after the cog round. No problem there! But others just let the second toon stand there and make no contribution. I have no problem with people doing that if they are with friends who know and agree - we all know the runs are easy enough to win anyway. I just don't think it's fair on a random or CCG run where there may be less experience, and sets a bad example (above type misunderstandings for one) I can tell you that in the run I was in last night where I went sad due to excessive goons, I would have been highly upset to see a toon standing there not helping.

So - let's discuss! Am I stirring the pot?

You know I didn't even think that it was one operator doing both at the time. Mainly because this was right at the beginning of the CCG run when the elevators had just started loading. There was also a bunny standing in the corner doing nothing so we were down to 2 stompers. So it could have been that we had 2 toons in there doing this.
The times that I have ran 2 toons in the CCG runs has only been when we needed another one to help us make it through the cogs round.
IMO the CCG is not the place for doing this unless you need one to fill the spot especially with the amount of newer inexperienced toons we tend to have. Luckily for this one we had some awesome craners but it was not easy for the stompers who were unknowingly picking up the slack for those who we assumed were present.

So I would like to put this out there for a debate.. What do you guys think?

I say post it at TTC for discussion too. And how about on the open debate thread here as well?

I'll save my comments for those threads. YOu want to post it or should I? Hmm which of us wants to take the heat

Hmm...this IS a hard question! I don't go on CCG runs anymore, but when I *did* go, I only took one toon. I guess my feeling was, that I was there as a guest of a CCG member and wanted to make sure I was completely focused and my attention not divided. Playing two toons can be challenging, especially if your toons get put on opposite sides and both I and my friends who play two have on occassion, missed picking gags on one side or another. I've never had or heard of that being a cause of someone going sad, however I'm sure it puts additional burden on the other toons with me to cover for me not picking something.

That being said, normally when I CFO or VP I do take two toons, as do quite a few of my friends. I guess we all feel comfortable enough with that extra toon standing aside that it doesn't make a significant difference to us. One of the last CFO's I did, THREE of us took two toons with two other players, and it was one of the fastest CFO's I've gone on. I guess it would depend on your confidence in the abilities of the person playing two toons! Can they compensate for the one they put aside? Are they skilled enough to ensure a win with less than 8 toons? I think it all depends on your comfort level, some people are more than happy to go with just 4 toons while others want the full 8.

If I were still going on CCG runs, I don't know if I'd take two toons or not. I think it would make a difference on how many inexperienced players were with me. As most of us know, you really only need a few good players to dance at the end, but for people who are just beginning to CFO or VP, they think they need the entire 8 and may consider the extra toon a slacker...leading to misunderstandings. In the end, I really think it's up to each person to decide what they want to do. I would gladly go on a run with anyone who plays two toons, but that's just me.

Bnkzsahm

PS Normally I'll stink my toon that I leave jumping at the end, as do my friends. Sheesh, that lazy toon just jumped the whole time and didn't help one bit!!

As far as CCG runs go, I don't think it is right to bring 2 toons in UNLESS the other is needed to fill out a short group.

On CCG runs, I expect EVERY toon to be a contributor to the cause. As we never know what we're gonna get on these runs in todays CCG, having one of your toons jumping during the pie or crane round WILL be misconstrued as a slacking toon unless it is clear to the entire group that the other toon was there as a helper for the cog round.

The only time I've taken more than one toon to a CCG run was when the run itself was in jeapardy of not going off because the toons there didn't feel comfortable enough with what we had.

Just my 2 cents.

I'm there with Nunya on this one.

I run multiple toons all the time in factories and mints, however, I do not run them in CCG runs unless we are shy a toon and somebody is too scared to go short.

I have run two in both VP and CFO when with friends and they know that is what I am doing.

I would rather allow more folks into the ele's than take my two toons when running with CCG.

This is cut and paste from TTC, sorry to be so lazy!

I run two toons often in regular battles with no problem (a little slow sometimes in the mint, and I run into walls a lot ) I know some people can and do take two into a boss battle, and I don't have a problem with that if you are with friends who agree.

I do have a big problem with it in CCG runs (and randoms). The way I see it, while the extra toon does help in the cog round, they do not contribute during the boss round. Most of the time this is not a problem - the last few CFO's I have done have been so ridiculously easy they were boring! You never know, though. I went sad in a run last night where we were overcome by goons. It was a hairy run by all accounts. We did have 8 toons present in that case, but consider if we did not.

I can see two possible scenarios here, there may be more I haven't thought of:

** one toon is left standing off in the corner. His owner doesn't care if that toon goes sad so he puts his all into whatever the other toon is up to. The team is short a player, though, which seems unfair since they loaded a full elevator and may not have wanted to had they known.

** The toons' owner splits his attention between the two toons. I think the drawback to this is obvious. The team is still one player short and maybe worse since the operator is not concentrating on any one thing.

** I do have friends who run both in the cog round, then their spouse or child helps in the boss round. I have no problem with this at all, it's not the same thing.

In my run last night, I was not upset to go sad. I believe goon swarms are a fluke, luck of the draw for the most part, and add extra challenge which I was enjoying at the time. It WOULD have upset me to see a toon just standing there, though, Who knows what difference could have been made if that extra toon had been participating.

I think it is unfair to the team, at least in a CCG run, along the same lines as using glitches. If it's the last load and you need an extra for the cog round, I say go for it, why not? I am personally a huge fan of light loads, and prefer to go with fewer players -- that is not the issue.

In the early loads when there are plenty of toons looking for full elevators, I think it is selfish to do it.

I'm a little lazy today too. Here's my answer on TTC copied and pasted:

I run two toons for mints and factories, but I only do that alone or with my friends who know that I am running two toons. I have yet to take two toons into a boss battle, but I would do so only if I was with my friends and they knew that I was doing this and I was on a random run.

I do not feel that the CCG boss battles is the correct place for someone to run two toons because we attract lower laff, lower gag toons who may be experiencing the VP or CFO for the first time. I feel that the more experienced players should give their undivided attention to all parts of the battle, and there is no way to do so running two toons.


Ok, maybe some of you are better at multi tasking than I am and can handle two toons in a boss battle, but I have enough problems running two toons in the mint and factories. The poor things run like they are drunk!

heehee!! My Monkey is not called the Drunken Monkey for nothing, he earned that name through endless dual romps through the factory!

I am not questioning anyone's skill. I just did that 4 toon / 2 man VP with Orville, if you recall, and while the cog battle was a bit hairy in the skele round (when the toons were separated) it was easily doable. I don't believe I ever missed picking a gag. My complaint comes in the boss round, when no matter how skillful the player is they can not give 100% to both toons, and that is unfair to the team. If a toon goes sad and makes them short, that's one thing, and can't be helped. To go in delberately planning to cheat the team out of one of its teammates is another, and is unfair IMO. Yes, the battle can probably be done anyway, probably with no problem at all. The point is you never know, and it is unfair to a team that deliberately loaded with 8 to suddenly remove one of the players. Do it all day on your own time, with folks who agree!

I have on very few occasions took two into a Boss battle. If you see me with two it usually means it's someone else behind my other Toon, I have allowed a very good friend use one of my key Toons after many bullions and she was no where close to be ready. On the few occasions I was behind both Toons only once was it a CCG run, it was for the cog rounds only since we were short bodies. But I do not stand around or jump afterwards. I've always exited the game when it came to the boss battle.

I have to reply to this thread since I have done many runs with two toons. The only reason I EVER take 2 toons in for a Boss fight is if we need the extra toon for the cog rounds. If I do not have at least one SF in there I make sure I will have one of my kids (who are quite good at both craning and pieing) is available to help at least at those times. I prefer them to help with the whole thing, but that is not always possible so I will usually do cog rounds by myself. I am no spring chicken and the mental power needed to concentrate on playing 2 toons at one boss battle is very taxing. If I ever have run 2 toons thru the whole thing, then in the VP the toon jumps in the back and in the CFO, the toon stands way in the back of a craner. I my self have gone sad on 2 occasions doing this, but noone else has. I could care less if my toon goes sad (it's only JB). By concentrating on one toon, however, I can contribute fully on that toon. Also, the cases when I have used this is in VP when we had lower laff toons (frequently ubers) who needed the bigger toons to help them survive the cog rounds and in the CFO I usually do only if we have toons who seem to feel better loading with the extra toon. If anyone would rather I not do this I fully understand and they are free to tell me, however, by doing this I have allowed many runs to actually take place that otherwise would not have.

Well I have opened quite the can of worms I see !!! lol Hello all and ty all for the interesting veiws and comments on the topic of two toons. Poor Twink such abuse she gets lol!! First of all ty ty ty to Princess Fluffy McPounce and Chocoholic for your support under fire lol!! You gals r FAB and I am lucky to have you as SF's. Now in response to the query "Is it right to run two toons in a Boss Fight?" I was very glad to see the thoughts of you blessed toons and will be happy to "cease and desist" in CCG runs. I am not a member of CCG but I go on the runs with my sf's that are. For the record I had two sf's in that CFO run with me and all my sf's know that when I go anywhere my shadow Twinkletoes isnt far behind lol. What is sad to me was the anger which was displayed at the end of the CFO run and in this post. How I wish that we could remember that this is a game and that ppl come to have fun and that noone is perfect.I do want to point out that my "second in command" has been a HUGE help and sometimes has saved the day... I like the fact that there is no delay after getting knocked off the crane, as my counterpart can step right up with no prob. I also can goon for myself when toons r busy elsewhere etc. One more note, I pay for two accounts so I expect to be able to play two toons, And whether it is one player or two or 5 playing one toon it really is that players business how they play. So ty all for your comments and lets go get the CFO!!!!!!

sallyannslewfoot