I'm sure the anger at the end wasn't anger at all. The CCG enjoys the fun of stinking each other out of friendship. We do this on so many runs as well as in the pits before runs. Stinking is a big part of the CCG.
I appreciate your post, and your feelings on this. But I will ask that you concider waiting till clean up duty (last loads) when the extra toon would be needed. Otherwise it will cause confusion for those new to the CCG, or inexperienced, the ones we are there to help.

Fellow Toons,


I have no intention of taking my toons on a CFO or VP CCG run. I hope that clears things up. I am very dissappointed in the manner in which this subject has been handled. To my knowledge CCG was created to HELP toons get bigger. I have not seen a "helpful" manner in this instance. I would have been happy and open to suggestions etc., had I known that there was a prob. I was made aware of a prob last night and I joined this site to rectify it right away. I didn't know about CCG when I started my first toon so I beat the VP and CfO the hard way. I was intrigued and glad when I heard about CCG and I saw the benefits right away and was very excited to be able to steer other small toons to st that would help them so that they would not have the probs I did. I do believe that the "two toons" type of play is growing and also that you will see more of this in the future. In closing, ty vm for the insight and suggestions. NOW lets go get the CFO lol!!!!!

sallyannslewfoot

Hi Everybody I have been away for a couple day s ... Just returned from Vegas and am really glad to be home!
This thread here seems to be the thread that has brought some atteniton to the game.....
I am wanting to clarify what some of you are saying....

Is it that you dont mind a person bringing in a 2nd toon to help in fighting the cogs but
you do not want this 2nd toon to be apart of the crane aspect of the boss fight?
With that I would like to know what is it that bothers you about that part of it .... As I see it, the only one that
would suffer would be the 2nd toon that may not be able to get the attention from the control..

Meaning if the person controlling 2 toons is jumping on a crane and then placing the 2 nd toon somewhere on the sidelines
The toon being controlled is craning like a champ and the one on the side lines is taking some hits...What is it about this that
bothers you?

Just hoping to get a little more concrete answer as to why this is not being well accepted?
I would like to state that the person that did this and stated that this is more and more common is absolutely correct and this
may be something we need to look at and figure out how we will approach these type of situations?

To the toon that ran the two toons during ccg run. I sure hope that due to some not agreeing with this approach doesnt make you feel as tho you are not welcome ...

We welcome the help and really appreciate the willingness to help out on CCG runs. Is it as all possible to run with CCG and just run one toon? This may put others at ease and be the way to go about keeping you involved with CCG runs and keep others happy as well?

Anytime you want to run the two at the same time I will run my two with ya but do it on our time or on random run and not ccg runs ... It is a load of fun to run with only 4 toons and 2 of the toons being ran by one person.

Anyway just some of my thoughts ... I would hate to lose the help of an awesome toon as yourself and would love to come to a happy solution!


Lets go .... Bring it on!~

YES!!! Tyvm My sentiments exactly... I would be very happy to run with you and have others in the same boat that would like to as well. The problem that ppl r having to my knowledge is that if I am running two toons then takes the place of another PERSON that would be able to get a win in through CCG. Now, if we look at this in a different way for just a sec, if we look at it as toons,not ppl, then Sallyannslewfoot and Twinkletoes both have just as much right as any other toon to be there. lol !! And in answer to your question, yes of course I could run one toon on a CCG run but the fact of the matter is my second toon is what I call insurance. There have been countless times that I have lost (mostly VP) due to other small toons error. That is ok, it is part of the game! BUT, I have found we have a better chance of winning etc. if I do bring her along. As far as the Boss fight I think that if a TOON helps get u through a cog fight then they deserve to be in the boss fight as well. Now, I may be off my rocker, but I really dont see how this cannot somehow be worked out. But until it is I will not be attending CCG runs (I am not a member but would go with sf's that r). I will go with sf's and thankfully can do 4 man CFO's and small VP's as well so np there. My prob at this point is the general anger that has been portrayed by others toward this subject. There r very strong feelings evidently regarding two toons in boss fights and yours is the first I have seen in a positive light. BUT it is because you run two toons!!! lol wooohooooo!!!! So ty ty ty I was very glad to see ur post and relieved that I am not the only one in "running two toons land".

It is fun running two toons in Boss battles and I understand your reasons for wanting to do it. It is quite a challenge in a game that can get mundane with the mindless merits and bucks that are required. I guess being with the CCG for about 6 months now, the problem I see with it is that sometimes people do not get to go on runs because we are a toon or two short as it is. If you are running two toons, then that may mean that someone (a person not just a toon) who had been excited about participating in a CCG run, that are usually much better than random runs, (and maybe planned their schedule around attending it) now must either wait to see who shows up, go on random runs, or wait til the next time or day. That is why I wait and watch how things go.

My question to you is have you been on many CCG runs? I don't recognize your toons names and that is why I ask. Try coming on a CCG run with one toon. There are alot of awesome people/toons with it. I have rarely lost a CCG battle. If you have mostly done random runs, then I absolutely understand why you want that extra toon there (over half of both of my keyed toons wins have been on random runs and not with friends or CCG so I can relate to the fear of a loss without extra insurance). I can't say that we don't have losses, but the wins far outnumber the losses. Not only that, but the runs usually give newer players a GOOD experience with boss battles that leave them with a sense of pride and a better understanding of how a Boss battle SHOULD be played. The CCG can always use good players to help so I really hope you will reconsider your decision to not come.

Thanks for your response and welcome to the site!

I do have to take issue with the word "anger", I have just read through this thread again and I can't see any anger. I think we are having a discussion, and it is normal for defensiveness on both sides. Forgive me if I sounded angry in any way to you, that is not the case.

I do have issues with this though, and these apply to CCG runs only. I do not believe someone running two toons is able to make a 100% contribution with both. If the second toon is just standing there during the boss round, that cheats the rest of the team out of an active participant, which is unfair to them. Yes, any TOON who is ready for promotion has the right to board the elevator, and anyone who boards the elevator has the right to the reward if they dance. My personal opinion is that the team signed on for a whole load - or however many - and it is unfair to the team as a whole if the entire team is not putting forth their best effort.

At first I was taken aback by your statements but then I realized that we say all the time that CCG is not for everyone! That choice is up to you, of course. I would have to respectfully disagree that the team has a better chance of winning with both your toons along, and again I say it is unfair to have two toons dividing their effort that way - unless the team is in agreement with what you are doing. The purpose of the CCG is to help other toons - with the shuffle issue primarily but once we are in it is our goal to get them all out. I just don't see how one person running two toons can do this adequately. Maybe you are the one that can - but I still say it is not right. This is simply my opinion, again I don't believe there is a policy on this but it has been discussed many times. If it were put to a vote I would vote no, YMMV!

I certainly don't want to show any anger towards you and hope my post didn't come across that way. I respect people who can run 2 toons at once (I have only attempted to do this in mints, facs or bldgs so far). I have many friends like bbubbles who I even ask could they bring a 2nd toon along if we are short at the end of the night. I only ask that you try to think it through what is the best way and most helpful to CCG to run 2 toons in the boss battle. IMO it is best needed on the last load when we have 4 tooons wanting badly to get in a boss fight but too afraid to try it with so few toons. I also say this from experience of waiting till last load, seeing many disappointed toons who want nothing more then to get in that elevator but still too hesitant looking at the number of toons we have. I think people who run 2 toons are very handy for CCG if done in a manner to make all happy.

First I would start off saying I have two accounts, 4 maxed Toons on one 2 on the other. Five of these Toons were maxed out in SBHQ before CB opened. When I started my first in CBHQ it was during the learning period. It seemed it took 20 cfo's just to promote from one suit to another and it was awful! It wasn't until I maxed two in CBHQ before I started running two from both accounts, and this was for bux. I always had several ready to CFO, but only took them in one at a time. On a few occasions I took two just to fill in the empty spot in the Elevator for cog rounds only. Now sure both could have used promotion, but when it came to the Boss Battle, one left! I am in no way new to Boss battles, but focusing on the boss fight itself, I cannot contribute evenly with both Toons! So understanding how you can say you can do this is a bit confusing to me, a CCG CFO can be different everytime, some runs yeah one can stand in a corner and do nothing, but there still are new Toons joining, ones that don't have crane experience, ones that can't jump goons, this is when all 8 Toons in that room need to pull together if all are going to dance. You can never know when loading what kind of run your attending, and if it hasn't happened already, if ever put in the position where all 8 Toons were needed to pull off a victory, I for one would feel awful knowing I brought two in for promotion, taking a spot someone else could have filled only to have the group lose!

I would never have dreamed in taking two into a CCG run for the purpose of trying to get both promotions. I usually wait for the last load, unless someone isn't filling a spot to fill an elevator. Doing this I have found myself more times than I can count not going in for Promotion. Since I have maxed my main Toons, I would still wait to make sure everyone attending a run got to load before I will load with my last Toon working for keys.

I don't think anyone here would want you to give up going on CCG runs. They do have two runs a night, still allowing you to promote one from each account on a nightly basis. I think what all are trying to say, it is OK to bring two toons when there is less than enough for a full load, but seeing you take two spaces while elevators are still loading, just might leave one person without anyone to load with?

I too run 2 toons on a daily basis when I do mints and factories. As far as the mints are concerned, I like to run 2 because that pretty much guarantees ME that no matter what happens (whether it be lower laff, gag challenged toons, etc) I will be able to finish the run.

However, I really don't see how running 2 toons in a VP or CFO will provide any insurance at all. The major factor here is that we do not control how the elevator is split for the cog battles. So unless both your/my toons are sided on together for the cog rounds, they really cant help each other if one or the other is in trouble.

Many that have posted on this thread have and still run 2 toons all the time. Most of us just don't do this on CCG runs unless its for the purpose of filling a very short elevator to save a run.

I will say that I really don't have much of an issue with running 2 toons in VP as I do in the CFO. In the VP pie fight, a good stunner can more than make up for the jumping toon with their ability to keep the VP stunned. This is NOT the case with the CFO. I believe the CFO crane battle (once its past the initial stun and safe pounding) requires volumes more attention from each toon. The pace is fast and furious and each CFO fight is a bit different. You may have one where you can take him out without many goons swarming, then again, the very next time you can't stay on a crane long enough to throw a goon. The bottom line is.... its impossible for one toon operator to devote 100% effort when they are playing both toons in a boss fight.

I've done my share to 2 toon/ 1 operator CFO battles (outside of CCG), and not all of them have been pretty.

sallyannslewfoot :

YES!!! Tyvm My sentiments exactly... I would be very happy to run with you and have others in the same boat that would like to as well. The problem that ppl r having to my knowledge is that if I am running two toons then takes the place of another PERSON that would be able to get a win in through CCG. Now, if we look at this in a different way for just a sec, if we look at it as toons,not ppl, then Sallyannslewfoot and Twinkletoes both have just as much right as any other toon to be there. lol !! And in answer to your question, yes of course I could run one toon on a CCG run but the fact of the matter is my second toon is what I call insurance. There have been countless times that I have lost (mostly VP) due to other small toons error. That is ok, it is part of the game! BUT, I have found we have a better chance of winning etc. if I do bring her along. As far as the Boss fight I think that if a TOON helps get u through a cog fight then they deserve to be in the boss fight as well. Now, I may be off my rocker, but I really dont see how this cannot somehow be worked out. But until it is I will not be attending CCG runs (I am not a member but would go with sf's that r). I will go with sf's and thankfully can do 4 man CFO's and small VP's as well so np there. My prob at this point is the general anger that has been portrayed by others toward this subject. There r very strong feelings evidently regarding two toons in boss fights and yours is the first I have seen in a positive light. BUT it is because you run two toons!!! lol wooohooooo!!!! So ty ty ty I was very glad to see ur post and relieved that I am not the only one in "running two toons land".

Big Bubbles, yes I have gone on many a CCG run, mostly VP though. I have 6 toons 3 to ea accnt and have gone mostly on my little toons. I am very glad that you have not lost many ccg battles but I have certainly been in ones where I lost a fair share. Mostly due to inexperianced toons picking the wrong gag etc. I have often played only one toon at a time and I have also staggered toons in VP as well. Meaning, I put one in a load and then load my second toon in a different load. And I play them at the same time but they r in different vp's. Has anyone else done this? But never fear no CCG runs with two toons for me lol.

Dr Skids,
Can u please refer me to where I stated that "that just because ppl have a differing opinion than urs that you will not bring ur toons to the CCG runs." Also, please inform me where I stated that ppl were not FREE to state their opinions. I am so sorry that you got that impression!!!! And I never said at any time that I gave my 100% attn. to both of my toons. I spoke of my "second in command" being right there when I got knocked off the crane etc. Hope that helps clear things up.

To answer your post:

sallyannslewfoot :

Fellow Toons, I have no intention of taking my toons on a CFO or VP CCG run. I hope that clears things up. I am very dissappointed in the manner in which this subject has been handled. To my knowledge CCG was created to HELP toons get bigger. I have not seen a "helpful" manner in this instance. I would have been happy and open to suggestions etc., had I known that there was a prob. I was made aware of a prob last night and I joined this site to rectify it right away.

You did have every intention of bringing your toons to CCG runs with your SF's that run with the CCG, before this discussion right? But now you state that you won't? Maybe I read that wrong.

How was this situation handled badly? We are discussing it are we not, in quite a civilized tone, aside from the anger remarks.

I know of your talk of "second in command", and many of the opinions here are that, while running two toons, you cannot give your 100% and that you seemingly agree with. My opinion is that there are times in any run to the CFO, random or otherwise that a team of 8 toons with 100% attention is required to win.

As someone who's done numerous 4 toon CFO's and countless boss battles with you operating 2 toons, ya know I'll go with you doing it anytime. On the other hand, I do see how someone who doesn't know you are doing this might come to the conclusion that you are griefing if they saw you. That's why I tend to agree that maybe running double in ccg runs isn't the best idea. So have you tried solo with yourself yet?

I do facs, mints and buildings with 2 toons. I prefer to do this by myself or with SFs since I can predict the play a little better. When a random is along I find it distracting when I have to adjust 2 toons to someone elses moves.

I think the boss battles are an entirely different matter since the end of the battle is not turn-based but real time instead, I would not be able to fully contribute with both toons. For me personally since the boss battles are about helping the team, I won't bring two to any CCG or random run, and would only bring 2 to a SFs run if it was agreed upon ahead of time. I've seen where losing toons can make the end part very challenging. If only 5 were remaining for example, I would not want to be 2 of the 5 to try to drive the VP down.

For CCG runs in particular, I wouldn't do this because it may set a bad example for other toons learning the battle. They won't know that a jumping toon in the back is the second of another player and may interpret it as an option in the battle.

My only other question is doesn't a toon that stays far from the VP in that battle cause him to be more jumpy? Or is that a myth?

Lady Googlebrains
Who can't even keep two toons running in the same direction at times.

Hi Lady Z!!

Tyvm for the welcome!! I am very glad to be here. I have checked and rechecked my posts and nowhere did I say that I give 100% on both toons at the same time. I do hear what you r saying,and while I disagree, I am very happy to listen to all sides. I do believe that the player is of course crucial and I think that some ppl would have a hard time running two, I love it and I know many that do as well. I am unsure which shocking statements you r referring to but let me reassure you again that I will not be going on CCG runs so I hope this solves the problem of "running two toons in a boss fight". Did you think I was a CCG member? let me know if I can help clarify in any way. One thing that I do have to say is that, the times that I HAVE run two toons in CCG runs we win most of the time with an occasional loss but really very rare. While it is a team effort by all I always go with sf's that r fab as well. So I wonder if you mean that because I am running two toons that I am somehow handicapped and can't do my part? This is not the case. Hope this has been helpful.

Hi Hthr! lol yes I have gone CCG with only one toon. You have been there when I have done it lmao!!!! I didn't always run two u know. And I have no intention of bringing two toons to a CCG run again as previously stated. And I have NOOOOO idea what you mean by "griefing".

Griefing - when a toon does things intentionally to hurt the other toons, to cause them "grief" and, often times, death. There are quite a few griefers who do things with the sole purpose of causing harm to the toons around them, to ruin their chances of winning, picking a gag that will cause the others to be hit (ie, sound on lured cogs) or even a gag that will counteract someone else's. A griefer can also be described as one who does not participate but receives credit for a run or battle.

Phew lots of reading to catch up on after being away for the day..

First off I will say that I did start this thread off wrong. Instead of posting the way I did right after the CFO I should have taken a step back and brought it to all of you as a debate to get everyone's feelings on this. But it is too late for that now so now I will reply from where we are now.. The main reason that I brought this here for discussion was to see if this is something new taking place in CCG runs. Every now and then we have new waves of toons and with those new toons come new ways of play. I am all for change but ONLY when it benefits the CCG as a whole and most of all looks out for the ones we were made for and that is those new to the Boss fights.

In my 2 years with the CCG the only time that I had seen members run with 2 toons was for backup and YES it did worry me that we possibly now have people running 2 toons going in with the early less experienced loads when you need all of the help you can get. The run that I did with Nunya last night was a prime example of a run that I would NOT want to see someone running 2 toons on. We both had to give 100% to dance for that one! From a challenging cog fight to a even more challenging crane battle I have to say it was one of the hardest runs I have done in a long time.

I no longer do randoms I gave up on them long ago.. When I brought this issue up I was only talking about this being done on CCG runs. I know it is common practice among sfs but I for one still feel that unless it is needed that running of 2 toons should be only done when needed.