I decided to take Pig Laggin on an uber run. I'm not sure which one it was (Troubadour - sp? or CCG) that I attended. I went to the one that had See Green Dog and bernnie (please forgive mis spelling).

I feel like I was responsible for killing off 2 ubers. I feel really terrible about this too. So I'm going to throw out some situations and what I did and get advice on proper strategies.

In the cog round, I got sided with bernnie (again, please forgive the spelling). In this particular battle there was a point where he said to use sound. We had used sound before and had killed off several low level cogs. I think that there was one more sounder in our group than just me. We had a couple of 10's and 9's (I think). It was suggested to use sound. So I pulled out my fog seeing a SOS card being used. However I did not see any else pull a sound. Which I assumed the other sounder would pull an ele. The SOS card was Sid Sonata. When it was all said and done, the sound did not kill any of the cogs, and we lost bernnie (see spelling disclaimer). Here is my first set of questions:

1. When seeing the "Let's use sound" speedchat and seeing the SOS card, should I had assumed Sid and used my Opera?

2. What is the battle strategy for that situation?


Next issue came in skele round. I'm sided with 3 other toons for a total of 4. I had See Green Dog on my side. We had 3 lvl 12's and an 11. Someone pulls cake and asks for assistance. I saw 2 others pull a cake and select separate cogs. I had thought about doing the same. But what occurred to me was that these cogs were unlure. And gags have been missing a bunch lately. So I had a toons hit SOS Card. I decided that the safest action would be to pull that card so we know for sure that the throw would hit. But what had me tossed about it was the level 15 we had on our side. Can't remember the toon's name. Well just as planned, I used the SOS card. And sure enough, one of the 12's survived and took out the 15.

1. Should I have pulled a cake myself and thrown it instead using the SOS Card?


I also wanna use my drop, but I feel like I am doing something wrong if I chose to drop on a 12 when others are using squirt.

I'd love to attend more of these, but it always seems that I lose toons sided with me. I feel like I may be upsetting upsetting some other ubers out there. And that is the last thing that I want to occur. It's, partially, why I haven't been to an uber run in so long. I love playing with my uber, but I get so nervous playing with a VP full of them.

Can someone help a brother sound/drop uber out? What are the proper sound/drop strategies when running when playing with 2 trackers? Any and all uber advice is greatly appreciated.

Ps. And if this was a Troubadour Run that I attended, I would like to apologize if I crashed into something that I shouldn't have been attending. Because I think we left someone at the doors.

Oh dear! Poor Pig

I have sympathy but not much assistance for you! There are so few ubers out there with sound and drop that you are pretty unique (but that goes without saying, doesn't it??).

I'm not sure what I would have expected from that SOS card. It could have been a Bessie (drop) SOS and sound would have helped. As to the skele round, they were sure playing risky for an uber run! Would be nice to know if it were the troubador run or not as CCG generally sticks to the 'kill one cog at a time' strategy. That is sure an easier strategy to follow!

If it helps, if I had been in your shoes I may well have made the same mistakes and I would be a little leery of using a piano with a 15 laffer. For myself, you are always welcome to use the piano on that first lvl 12 cog in the VP and I'll use squirt . I know a 12 can't kill off my 34 laffer in one shot anyway!

Well, first off, YOU did not do anything wrong! If there was another sounder in your group that person should have used sound period, end of story. I personally feel like no one should ever count on a level seven gag getting used. Too many times I don't even have them available (having just been beaten in a boss battle of some sort or another...) to even worry about counting on one, I figure they are emergency use only (I know, I am selfish and I hoard, it is awful and I am working on it). I guess I would have used a foggie in the first situation and planned on the other person to help with whatever sound they had, if I had a second left, and found that the other person was not going to use sound, and I had a opera available, I might have used it, but those are a lot of ifs...

Second situation, that is a tough one. Potentially devastating either way. If the throw had missed, the 15 was going back to the PG. My take on the "can you help me" is that the gag is not maxxed, or is not organic, but one way or another they know it will not take out that cog. My first instinct there is to help throw on that cog, or a big lure (I can't remember if pig has lure or not). Oops, duh, he has drop. But then again, the lure bonus is always chancy, nice when you get it, but if you don't get said bonus, the cog is just awake and the 15 goes back to the PG anyway. Tough one, and good question. Did you have any foggies left? That is always an option in a situation like this since they weren't lured anyway... I say drop the piano if there is a next time.

I have been wondering about the drop situation myself. I maxed sound on Mindy Tuesday for the Troubadour runs, but I have been very slow to max her drop. On my bigger toons, I will not use drop if I have a player under 25 with me. One miss on that opening 12 - and he is gone and I can't time a unite well enough to save him. So I imagine that with an entire line of ubers I am going to be even more hesitant to drop. When it is just me on the line in a non-uber run, I will drop away. But at this point I just can't imagine using it in a uber run. I would love to hear from the droppers too. Right now she feels like a glorified 3 track.

FYI:

I just want to make sure to let everyone know, that no one was rude to me or has said anything negative to me. My queries are for learning purposes only. I pride myself on working with the team. The advice here will help me to work better within that team. Thanks again, everyone!

Edit:

Thank you, Heather. I never even considered the cogs missed and I had 2 of them. Yikes. No beating around the bush is necessary for me. I love my little piggy and his all offensive ability. IMO, he absolutely rocks! All your (and anyone's) advice serves to help me to maximize his abilities.

Thank you all you thus far for the advice...it really is appreciated!

Oh yikes! There were no lurers on your side in the skeles??
Well, in that case!! You were lucky to have 3 come out alive

Varmit - I have to admit that I'm not very quick to see the advantages of Cogs Miss, but that is a perfect opportunity. I've played with mid- to low-laff 'normal' toons and they often try to commit toonicide. Maybe my bigger toons could finally use those SOSs that I thought were useless

I had fun playing with Pig Laggin and using Sound.
The saduality was due to Sid hitting and FOG missing. The cogs we had were level 6-9's and
I thought Sid +Fog was more than enough.
It was my boneheaded suggestion to use sound 2x in a row.

It is one of the risks and oddly enough, one of the more common gag combo misses using an SOS I have seen recently. (SOS hits, but Sound misses or Sid Hits, Moe misses etc...) I have gone sad of 3-4 of my Ubers who got a few sound SOS'es doing this. I'm starting to think sound SOS'es are cursed right up there w/ Little Old Man!

One concern I have had is that playing a 15-20 laffer is a bit selfish on my behalf.
I feel bad if I leave a team short by going sad early, I feel bad when someone takes on any guilt or feels bad cuz things don't work out. Sometimes I think I have taken out a bunch of low laffers because of this (sad bug and brain glitches)

Let me just say, I'd play with any of your toons anytime. If I wanted to play it safe I could have.
(I had a lure SOS and a cog miss SOS). I'm just a "risky" toon to play with.

I also like playing drop! I have a Sound/Drop toon who is a blast to play with randoms or short Uber runs.

If you don't mind wasting gags I use a single piano as a back up on lure miss on emerging 11's and organic toontanic drop as a back up sound misses. With randoms I just let it all hang out. I like using drop on the opening level 12's if I'm sided with toons 25 laff or higher.

Low level drop I use mostly in factories/bldgs as it is really hard to find times to use it in the cogs/skeles in VP.

In the last scenario: 2 or more level 12's, 2 cakes one on each 12, and even another cake on the other 12 leaves you with very few options even if you have lure. A Cog Miss SOS, a Level 7 throw are just about it. But I think that is asking alot. The only sure thing is a cog miss. I went sad just before this run (w/ the Troubadours) where level 7 hit and the clouds/squirt missed. 3 cogs gone but a level 11 took me and 2 other toons out doing -24 damage.

Play, play again. Any Uber worth his/her salt should help you learn and I learned more from my mistakes than anything. I made more than my share and for some odd reason, some people still play with me. (and I'm still learning what works and what doesn't)

LST playing bernnie

So, that's what that is!
I was wondering what the deal was when this 30something LF entered a five-story building with us full of confidence and then started using gags as high as mine. She had throw, squirt and toon-up maxed and, honestly, didn't need anything else. Cool! Might try that one time...

That's funny! I remember running across one of the early ubers - Marshmallard.
I thought - "This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen !"

It took me a while to work up the courage for a sell uber. I would recommend doing this with a friend because it helps to have 2 of you working gags together. Otherwise, it can be an even slower and more tedious process!

My son was very excited when he read this thread. He never been very interested in his toontasks, but he wants to fight the bosses. I guess there is a future for him after all,