I am relatively new to Toon Town but I have seen both sides too. It all depends on where you run (play)I think. The BAD gags of some toons we had a discussion not long ago about just that. What is UP? Nobody knows...greediness? Unwillingness to spend the grueling amounts of time working those gags?( if you can't get in River) I don't know... I bet the ratio of under 100 laffers (ubers and non) with maxed gags is not far off from the 100+ side anymore. *I* was too afraid to do VP until I had a few maxed. I agree with you on Trap being hard to max but Drop...I STILL drop my way through buildings when I solo. Not to mention I actually enjoyed working them and getting the new ones...we'll see how I feel about maxing the 2nd one out
I think griefing has gotten more creative maybe? they've found new ways to be a nuisance...Griefing like bike horns from 100+ is all done in fun as far as I have seen. But elevator hopping/poofing is pretty bad in some places.

I think people can also reach 100+ more easily then when my first toon was started. The golfing and gardening bonuses weren't there so that's 20 possible pts making them that high laff but maybe only 80 something task and gag wise. I haven't done the amount of random things lately. Rarely do I not have at least one friend or I play alone with my two toons. Although today in trying to do a CFO there was one toon who kept getting off and there were what 7 RB and 1 I forgot lol but not a newbie and he kept shuffling him off. I wasn't sided with him but from my counterpart who was he seemed to doodle alot but not sure other than that. It is frustrating when people work gags in boss battles. Not so bad in a fac, mint but I think by DA's and thingies (lol what is that called?) anyways you should be just about maxed on them all and if not don't work them please.

If I encounter someone who seems to be griefing then I say two can play this game.

My first toon is a prime example of high laff, bad gags. I returned to TT after a year-or-so off, so when I got back, I rushed through all of the tasks seeing what was new. He has 106 laff and ONE maxed gag (although sound is like 200 exp off). Part of the problem is that I rushed through everything, but I never got into River. I think I've been it once with him (when he had like 40 laff). I do see a lot of kind toons, and some greifers. As misterchippergigglequack (yay for copy-paste) said, it really does depend where you play.

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When, I was a young whipper snapper. This was way back in 2003. You couldn't jump, fishing was incredibly different, and Melodyland had a carousel in the middle. There weren't that many toons on. There were far fewer servers. You had to work your gags and do tasks yourself to get anywhere. I don't know if it was because it was my first task but other than LOM and the cream pie one....the tasks seemed harder. There were very few and far between invasions.

Fast forwarded to Open today. There is fishing, racing, flowers, and golfing. How many laff points are that? You don't have to rely on yourself as much. In the busy district, if you can find someone to help.

Are toons more rude? I'm not sure. I think it is a bigger population and you are going to see more of the good and bad.

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Well, speaking as a toon who has both (toons with maxed and unmaxed gags), I think it's all about the friends you are with. My sleepy little puppy lacks a decent trap, but his drop (now) can take out an 11. However. I have been working his gags and have not wanted to take him to any of the larger boss fights. I don't wanna drag my team down.

With that said, I don't mind a little gag working (in mints, da's, etc) when you are with friends and you do it responsibly. For instance, in a bullion. When you come up against a 10's and 11's, the people I'm with usually one fog and rest ele's. That will make the 11 cogs red. I usually throw a trap. Does it slow the process up? Some. But nothing major. Again, you have to do it responsibly. Keeping your team mates in consideration is the key. Most of the gag working should be done in a building or with friends. Does that make sense? It's 1:30am here and my mind is a little foggy.

But it has become so hard to get into River lately. Do you know why? In Dreamland, there are nonstop gagfests AND beanfests. Yes, gagfests too. They throw away those things like crazy. Beans and gags. And, I think that a craze for being lazy has swept over everyone with sound. Seems to be if you do anything with a random, 80% of the time, they will sound carelessly. Ex. I went in a building to help out little toons(who didn't have little gags). Well, I was using lure a lot. For these reasons: 1. to train it.2. To save them from their own ignorance. I would let out a lure. Fog and ele and whistle!!!!!! Doesn't kill the cogs. Toons get hit. Some use WEIRD TU selections(they had pretty good TU gag use, but who they TUed was WEIRD). So knowing that some people might die if another attack comes around, I use lure. Well, one doesn't TU(don't think they had/carried it). That toon uses SOUND! Aaaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!! WHY would they do this? I mean, yes they were working gags, but because of this, on the final floor someone went sad. And someone jumped in a hole ( do to the other dying). So, there unresonable gag work.

I agree that it is easier to up your laff without working your gags. My first couple of toons were demons at gag working (as was my uber). Now, Lime Cat, tends to coast a bit and not bog folks down with working gags. However, she has maxed sound, throw, squirt and lure by the time she hit 100. If her friends would get hurt more, it would help!! She maxed lure first because she was helping a friend work trap

I don't see much griefing as I generally play with TTFers (ok, maybe some fun griefing) or just solo stuff. I'm usually pretty nice to me!

I was in the factory over the weekend, well actually it was really late on Friday night/Saturday morning. I was in with 3 other toons, randoms, in the east silo, I ran in and pushed the button and when I ran out the door wouldn't open and it took me an extra few seconds to get through. by the time I got to the center silo, the 3 toons I was with were dancing!! I was so upset! I even let them work gags and tried to be so patient, they were all 50 and 60 lps. At first I thought, ok maybe they didn't realize, but then 2 of them said Ha ha and Hee hee and kept it up! Made me sick! It was an invasion run too so I missed out on a lot of much needed merits! Thank goodness most people who play are very nice and I alway feel safe with TTFers!

You know how on your first baby you have two full photo albums of baby pix from the first couple months of their life, and on your last baby you have one page representing the first couple months? Something changes in between there? (Not sure exactly what.) Well, on my first toon, I had nearly all gags maxed by 80-something laff. My most recent toon is now 106 laff and has only throw/squirt maxed with a LONG way to go on the other four. Something changed in between there--I have no clue what. (And I don't take her in boss battles/mints/DAs--her gags are a little too embarrassing, HEH)

Amanda Tori Oinker: I've seen you around--I LOVE your name!!!

Penny, I'm sorry that has happened to you. It is a sad thing when toons do those things. Unfortunate, but reality all the same (just as much so in RL). I've been blessed to have one maxed toon in VP and another almost done where that has not happened to me. I have 2 accounts, so I usually just run my toons through the factory to avoid the hassle. If you need a factory run, I'll do what I can to help. Just pop me a PM.

Well, don't get me wrong, if I had to choose griefers or poorly worked gags I'd definately choose the poor gags. I'm not a controlling team member, it's just that when I used to play I was used to most others being very precise. TT was not so much a kid thing! Lol, we parents had all stolen our kids toons and made them go outside to play.
Ty TerrKan, I remember seeing you around as well and liking your name.

Being that it wasn't that long ago that Nanner maxed law and now with boss out I've run with my share of randoms in the last months. Have to say that running DA D's brought out bigger toons but not always nicer or better playing toons. Running 3, 6 or 9 law thingys are the same story. I agree that things were probably always the same as now but like others have said, the population of TT has grown so much that we probably see it more. Rude/openly griefing/know it alls etc are alive and well in TT for sure. Worse than before? Just like RL I think it's population explosion?

Gags on the other hand I think have gotten worse. MUCH worse! Oddly with invasions you'd think toons would have better gags than (using silly bubbles old person voice) back in the day when we had to work gags one little cog at a time for 1 point etc etc etc. Building after bld just working gags with friends. Dropping our way through whole factories...again with friends only. Hours and hours spent on the top floor of a 5 story just luring and sounding, luring and sounding (and TU ) I think now people are wanting to hit the boss battles as fast as possible even if they're not ready. I saw a toon in ceo the other day who had 3 unmaxed gags! How can you have a boss suit in all four bosses and not have maxed gags? This wasn't a flunky either. I don't remember exactly what it was but it was low/mid suit size.

My Badger had like 5 unmaxed gags when I did my first CEO. That number is now down to 4.

Hey, I take offense to that! I never did steal my kids' toons, they're all still there, ready to work TTC (or wherever)! Of all the nerve!




I just took the account. And sent them out to play.

I didnt steal my kids toons either. I will admit, I started playing for me! LOL My kids followed along eventually and now they are bored of it. I tried to steal their toons but they won't let me!!!