But what is the difference in that goalie's cheap shot than any other cheap shot delivered by any other hockey player?
Well, because that other stuff happens during the game and is allowed? Wasn't that the point? He was fined - he was wrong. That doesn't really mean anyone is right if they don't get fined...just sayin. I really don't get how that isn't clear...and I don't even know anything about hockey.
Then again this is just one of my biggest pet peeves. Professional sports players ought to be able to control themselves, not act like whiny little brats who aren't getting their way. Way to set an example....has he even owned up to it? I don't think so... I think he should have gotten suspended, too. What a loser! Here's an umbrella for you PBB.
***sarcasm included for no apparent reason and at no extra charge***
LOL...I wrote the above before watching the video...love the fake "waaaah, I am dying" rolling on the ground, and the trying to make it look like it was the other guy who started it. Even better! Can my kids grow up to be just like him?
I'm glad our Little League bans people who do stuff like that.
Congrats on the win though...if it was the Saints I would be excusing it too I'm sure.
I'm not sure if all the sarcasm was needed for 8 exclamation marks. Just sayin'
YMMV. I found it silly and in good conscience couldn't include it on the off chance that she would be embarrassed by the excessive use once she'd calmed down.
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You asked a good question, Boots. Why is what the goalie gets fined for that, when none of what you mentioned (Hooking/boarding/elbowing/fighting) is fineable (sp?)?
I guess because they determined that although those things shouldn't happen, there's a reasonable chance that they will in the heat of competition and therefore provided for it in the rules. It appears that they feel that what Osgood did should not ever happen under any circumstances thus it was not provided for. There's also nothing in the rules about what happens if a player shoots an opposing player...or teammate either, for that matter.
Way to set an example....has he even owned up to it?
Actually, quite the opposite! He didn't even have the smarts to say it was an accident. He lied about it! In an interview the next day he said he didn't intend to hit the player in the face he was merely putting an obstacle up to try to slow the player down because he felt he was coming in too quickly. Look at where his attention is (and how he sheepishly pretends to be not paying attention) and how much he sticks his stick out and you tell me if that seems plausible. And while you're at it look at how deftly he keeps the net and 5 other men between him and his victim. Oh well, what can you expect from a second-string has-been? (No really: He used to be their starter but he was replaced with somebody better. For some reason (I suppose poor performance) the starter was benched 2 or 3 games into the playoffs and Osgood was on a hot streak (assisted no doubt by the best team in the NHL this year) so they stuck with him. )
LOL...I wrote the above before watching the video...love the fake "waaaah, I am dying" rolling on the ground, and the trying to make it look like it was the other guy who started it. Even better! Can my kids grow up to be just like him?
I'm glad our Little League bans people who do stuff like that.
Congrats on the win though...if it was the Saints I would be excusing it too I'm sure.
Kari....that's how it goes in the play-offs, something you'd know if you watched hockey. The players go down, hoping to get more sympathy...possibly a power play, giving their team that one man advantage.
I have to agree here...It's Hockey, and the fans love it! Hard to believe for those who haven't watched hockey for their whole lives but it used to be much more violent than it is now. The old joke that I went to a hockey game and a fight broke out rings true in many cases and die hard hockey fans love it. They want the fights and more. Not saying it's right but it is what it is, hockey.
Being here in Hockey Town, I think its almost a prerequesite that you LOVE hockey and all that goes with it. Do I want my child to emulate their behavior...ummm...no but, after all...they are grown (well that being the operative word here) men and clearly have the Y chromosome thing going for them. Not intentionally stepping on the feet of those here that also carry that Y with them, just pointing out a mere fact.
Hockey has always been a violent sport, but I think even though the guys get hurt their fair share from all that was mentioned here, they still love it...and the ALL do their fair share of this too. Then you watch and they shake hands after the game and all is hunky dory...weird.
But PBB has a clear point here, it was the playoffs and as I watched the refs didn't call the penalties as much as they do during the regular season, at least it seemed to be that way. As the series progressed it seemed to me that they had overlooked more and more...but then if blood is drawn well yeah...someones got to pay for that one. A fine, I don't honesty see the point in that...but I guess thats where they try to discipline them if you will...hit them in the wallet where it hurts?!? whatever.
I personally don't condone the getting hurt that badly but the fighting...well yeah, I love hockey and its just not the same if there isn't any fighting. The players know that the fans love it...it goes with the territory.
Way to set an example....has he even owned up to it?
Actually, quite the opposite! He didn't even have the smarts to say it was an accident. He lied about it! In an interview the next day he said he didn't intend to hit the player in the face he was merely putting an obstacle up to try to slow the player down because he felt he was coming in too quickly. Look at where his attention is (and how he sheepishly pretends to be not paying attention) and how much he sticks his stick out and you tell me if that seems plausible. And while you're at it look at how deftly he keeps the net and 5 other men between him and his victim. Oh well, what can you expect from a second-string has-been? (No really: He used to be their starter but he was replaced with somebody better. For some reason (I suppose poor performance) the starter was benched 2 or 3 games into the playoffs and Osgood was on a hot streak (assisted no doubt by the best team in the NHL this year) so they stuck with him. )
SECOND STRING HAS BEEN?!? FYI...OZZY is the one that lead us to cup in more than one season.
This is his carreer standings with the Wings...(YES, I USE A BIT MORE PUNCTUATION THAN YOU DO BOOTS....GUESS IT HELPS GET MY POINT ACROSS!!!!!!)
While the 1994–1995 season started late due to a lockout, Osgood served as a backup goaltender for Mike Vernon for the season. The Wings reached the 1995 Stanley Cup Finals that season, where they were swept in four games by the underdog New Jersey Devils. Osgood received significantly more playing time for the 1995–1996 season, and he led the NHL with a 2.17 GAA and 39 wins. He also finished third in shutouts (5) and was a Vezina Trophy runner-up to Jim Carey. Osgood and Vernon shared the William M. Jennings Trophy as the goaltenders allowing the fewest goals in the league. For his efforts Osgood was selected to the NHL All-Star Game and was also named to the post-season NHL All-Star Second Team.
That season, he scored against the Hartford Whalers, becoming the second goaltender in NHL history (after Ron Hextall) to score a goal. (Former Islanders's goaltender Billy Smith was also credited with a goal as the player last touching the puck, but only Osgood and Hextall directly shot the puck in.)
The next season Osgood and Vernon shared starting goaltender duties in the regular season, but when the playoffs started, virtually all the playing time went to Vernon, who ended up winning the Conn Smythe Trophy. In the end, Osgood had his name engraved on the Stanley Cup as the Red Wings swept the Philadelphia Flyers in four games to win their first Stanley Cup in 42 years.
After the Cup win in 1997, Vernon was traded to the San Jose Sharks, which made Osgood Detroit's number-one goaltender. Again, the Red Wings were able to advance to the Stanley Cup finals and defeat the Washington Capitals in another four game sweep to win back-to-back Stanley Cup championships.
Osgood remained the primary goaltender for Detroit until the summer of 2001, working alongside Ken Wregget, and Manny Legacé before being put on waivers and picked up by the New York Islanders.
On Osgood's return to Detroit for the 2005-06 season he again split time with Manny Legacé and, starting in 2006-07, with Dominik Hašek. In the Wings' President's Trophy-winning 2007-08 season he posted a record of 27-9-4 in the regular season with a 2.09 GAA and 4 shutouts. Osgood came off the bench in the 4th game of the playoffs, compiling a 14-4 record and a 1.55 GAA while starting the Wings' final 18 playoff game; he was considered a contender for the Conn Smythe Award which eventually went to Henrik Zetterberg.
Ozzy is not just a second string as you can see...IDK where you live Boots, if you're even a hockey fan, or really felt the need to grief again just urging you to say something. I have tried to be nice to you, obviously you need to have sarcasm...the heat of an arguement fueling you. Thanks for bringing this to my thread....you're such a thoughtful person.
Here is some more.... EXPLAINING WHY HE WAS NOT THE STARTER IN THE BEGINNING OF THE FINALS....
Thus far, the 2007–08 season has been a return to form for Osgood. Osgood and Hašek remained Detroit's goaltending tandem for the 2007–08 season. While Osgood was expected to be the backup goaltender, Hašek struggled at the beginning of the season and subsequently became injured. Osgood assumed the starting role while Hašek was injured and put up superior numbers. As of April 30th 2008, Osgood ranked 1st in the NHL in GAA with 2.09 during the regular season, ranked 16th in Save Percentage with .914 and has an astonishing 27–9–4 record. That performance earned him both a 3 year/$4.5M contract extension with the Red Wings and an appearance at the 2008 NHL All-Star Game. With Hašek healthy and getting back into his stride, Detroit chose to alternate goaltenders instead of designating either goaltender as the backup.
After Hasek performed poorly in games 3 and 4 of their 2008 first round series with the Nashville Predators, Osgood was named the starter for game 5 of the series. With Osgood in goal, the Red Wings won their next nine playoff games in a row, defeating the Predators and Colorado Avalanche as well as dealing the Dallas Stars a three-game deficit. Though the Stars battled back, winning their next two games, Osgood shone in game 6, stopping all but one shot in a game riddled with Red Wings penalties, sending them to the Stanley Cup finals to meet the Pittsburgh Penguins. In games one and two of the Stanley Cup finals, Osgood had back-to-back shutouts, making him the fourth goalie in NHL history to start the Finals with back-to-back shutouts. Between the two games, he made a total of 41 saves. His save as time expired in Game Six sealed the Stanley Cup for the Red Wings.
Chris is 15th all-time in wins by an NHL goaltender.
BTW...this was taken from Wiki, with no mention of the Ozzy incident, hmmm....seems only guys that wear Rubberboots seem to have a problem with it.
But PBB has a clear point here, it was the playoffs and as I watched the refs didn't call the penalties as much as they do during the regular season, at least it seemed to be that way. As the series progressed it seemed to me that they had overlooked more and more...but then if blood is drawn well yeah...someones got to pay for that one. A fine, I don't honesty see the point in that...but I guess thats where they try to discipline them if you will...hit them in the wallet where it hurts?!? whatever.
It's a KNOWN FACT that the refs let a lot of things slide during the play-offs...
Kari....that's how it goes in the play-offs, something you'd know if you watched hockey.
Actually, I have watched enough hockey to know that's how it is. DURING THE GAME. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a cheap shot AFTER the game is over is bad sportsmanship. Especially if you lie about it
He was fined over it, the announcers thought the first guy should have been suspended when they thought it was all him, obviously the powers that be don't agree that this particular shot was "just part of hockey". Why they didn't suspend him is beyond me. It doesn't surprise me that his team's fans love it and him; you just won the cup (again, good for you)! But that doesn't change the incident or make it right! Wonder how you would feel about it if it wasn't your team? Seriously, I doubt any Red Wings fan can see it objectively - no offense.
Princess Boo Boo :
Ozzy is not just a second string as you can see...IDK where you live Boots, if you're even a hockey fan, or really felt the need to grief again just urging you to say something. I have tried to be nice to you, obviously you need to have sarcasm...the heat of an arguement fueling you. Thanks for bringing this to my thread....you're such a thoughtful person.
I am constantly amazed how on every board I visit, people want to post things but don't seem to want anyone to respond unless they agree...anything else is "griefing" or "drama"...I always say "don't post it if you can't take the responses!" Newsflash - disagreement does not mean griefing, even if sarcasm is involved! Although I can't read someone's mind, neither can you, and how is a patronizing "I've tried to be nice to you" any better? You seem to feel the need to say something like this often, why is that? You used sarcasm. Are you griefing?? What makes it OK for you?
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BTW...this was taken from Wiki, with no mention of the Ozzy incident, hmmm....seems only guys that wear Rubberboots seem to have a problem with it.
Maybe you're not familiar with Wiki? I do like it myself, but it's not the most reliable source of info on the 'Net (to say the least ). Entries are posted by whoever feels like it and can be changed by the next person to come along. (LOL, by the time I finish this post someone may have gone and put it in! ) The person who entered that may not have been aware of the incident or, like you, feel that it was "just part of hockey" or be a big enough fan to not want anything negative about their hero in there, or any number of other reasons s/he didn't post it. Point being the fact it's not mentioned in Wiki really means less than nothing.
Obviously other people DO have a problem with it...but thanks for making my other point again
I do agree that this sort of thing has become a "part of" sports in general...and I find that very sad. Hockey and its fights notwithstanding, playoffs or no playoffs, this was after the game and shouldn't have ever happened. Apparently he is a big enough star he got out of it. I still think that's pathetic. Professional athletes are supposed to be held to a higher standard - when the buzzer sounds the game is OVER.
Yes. He was not the starter this year. By definition that makes him second string. I'm sorry if that upsets you. He was at one time the starter. His best years are behind him, as determined by those who evaluate his performance (his bosses).
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FYI...OZZY is the one that lead us to cup in more than one season.
Irrelevant to either point.
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YES, I USE A BIT MORE PUNCTUATION THAN YOU DO BOOTS....GUESS IT HELPS GET MY POINT ACROSS!!!!!!)
Guess again. It just makes you look hysterical.
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While the 1994–1995 season started blah blah blah ad infinitum...
I already conceded he was sort of good at keeping the puck out of the net (but then who wouldn't be with the best team in the league in front of you).
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IDK where you live Boots, if you're even a hockey fan, or really felt the need to grief again
I live in THE hockey town.
No actually I don't even know what hockey is. I just saw you speak positively of some random person I've never heard of and spent days trying to dig something up so I could disagree with grief you. You're just that important to me.
I have to agree here...It's Hockey, and the fans love it!
No, some of the "fans" love it. And some people watch NASCAR racing for the accidents. And I hear tell there was never a shortage of audience in The Coliseum. Some people just enjoy that sort of stuffs. Myself, I wouldn't consider them "fans". YMMV
The old joke that I went to a hockey game and a fight broke out rings true in many cases and die hard hockey fans love it. They want the fights and more. Not saying it's right but it is what it is, hockey.
Sorry PBB, I have to correct you.
"I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out."
Yes, hockey was incredibly violent a few years ago. They had players called "enforcers." Their entire job was to make sure the other team's players were kept out of the way. The "enforcers" are still there but are bit more low key.
I, too, grew up watching hockey. Although, it wasn't in Hockeytown. I love the speed and grace of the game.
I haven't watched Hockey since Gretzky left Edmonton...but this Thread sure has made Hockey entertaining... Thanks you 2
My opinion on the slicing/slashing? Suspend Osgood from PLaying in the league PERIOD...He TRIED TO BLIND a fellow competitor in a GAME. (sure it's a business too but it's a GAME) The game was over and the incident was the most Chicken&*%^&^%$^ example of poor sportsmanship I've ever seen in Hockey...He TRIED to END that mans(Ribiero's) Career for what?
?... there is NO reason valid enough to jusitfy what happened in that video. Sorry.
I think the old joke goes... I went to a Fight and a Hockey game broke out.
glad your team won tho PBB
Well, excepting the only point that was being discussed which you completely missed.
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BOTTOM LINE IS.....
WE HAVE THE CUP!
I don't recall anybody disputing that not only do they have the cup but that they were also the best team this year. Oh, did I say "they"? I guess I meant to say "you". Um, what number are you again?
This was not PBB who made the mistake in the age old addage...I goofed, it happens all the time. I jumped in on something that I clearly shouldn't have. As far as the Nascar goes, my 13 yo likes to see the crashes acutally. I don't because I feel so bad that someone could get hurt. Acutally I am not a nascar fan at all...hockey is about as far as I go here, unless its the army vs. navy football game.
Hangs head in shame...won't try to look clever again, learned my lesson! (but I do like the occasional fight at the hockey game).
I don't recall anybody disputing that not only do they have the cup but that they were also the best team this year. Oh, did I say "they"? I guess I meant to say "you". Um, what number are you again?
YES....WE....DETROIT......"WE" HAVE THE CUP!!!!!!!!!!!
Rubberboots :
I live in THE hockey town.
Where might that be?!? Montreal?!? Or perhaps the whole reason you've gotten onto your soap box to speak is because you're a Dallas Stars fan?!? I personally happen to like the Dallas Stars, and I would have been happy if they had proceeded onto get good ol' Lord Stanley. Many great players on that team, just wasn't their year.
Yes, MY Wings did a great job, and are the VICTORS, and they justly deserve to hold Lord Stanley over their heads this year with PRIDE!!!
Hangs head in shame...won't try to look clever again, learned my lesson! (but I do like the occasional fight at the hockey game).
Nonsense...it lightened the mood a little in here
Yeah Nascar and Bull riding...people wanna see the wrecks, but if you imagine your _______child/wife/husband/mother/father (fill in the blank) wrecking that flaming chunk of metal at 200 MPH or that 1500 lb Bull Stomping and Goring someone you love then it's not so Pleasurable is it?
We always just ASSUME these guys are Okay but sometimes they aren't. (RIP Dale Earnhardt, and Lane Frost)
He was fined - he was wrong. That doesn't really mean anyone is right if they don't get fined...just sayin. 
I really don't get how that isn't clear...and I don't even know anything about hockey. 
Here's an umbrella for you PBB. 
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