I was just wondering how some other folks that run ubers feel about the strict 'no sound' policy that seems to be in effect when running with CCG. I get the concept that if it misses, an uber could be sent promptly back to look for their contacts. But, in the cog round I'm not sure if I always agree. Doesn't seem to be anything wrong to sound out the first grouping and have someone drop the 12 (or cloud). Same thing if we are facing a row of level 2-5 cogs. I'm not going to go sad in this case even if they all target me personally.

Or, is it just the case of being cautious and courteous? Of course, if there were a 15 or 16 laff uber then I'm way on board. But, as a 34 laffer I feel like I can take a few hits if necessary

Sandra I think it was decided that most often the uber should decide. Now that depends, if there are other ubers or low lpers sided with you LLKR is best bet I think. But if it's your uber sided with all big toons, well then feel free to shout out sound. When I'm on Some Duck on a CCG run I play her pretty strictly with LLKR. I want to use her as a teacher tool to teach CCG strategy. However if I take her on a random run often sound is pulled out and you just go with the punches there. It's good practice to know how to keep your uber alive when sound is used, because you won't always get lucky with LLKR.
pppickles is a sound uber, so very different for her. She often wants to sound instead of lure.

I agree that it should be left to the uber. As Betsy stated, I often encourage LLKR on Miss T. Fied simply because I want to help teach others the proper strategy, but if I have all experienced players on my side that already know the proper strategy, I'm the first person telling them, "I think you should choose sound." At 39 laff and holding a boatload of 4 and 5 star SOS cards, I just don't worry as much.

Actually, Sandra, it's better NOT to sound when running with ubers for a couple of reasons, the main one being to keep the uber alive. If you sound and it doesn't kill all of the cogs, you run the risk of the cog attack hitting everyone on that side. Second, you will take less damage from the lower level cogs than the higher ones, so it's better to keep the little guys around. That way you can deal with getting rid of the big guys without too much damage.

Loopy started a thread about a month ago with I think the same type of theme or at least we stated how we felt about sound in the thread

It is always good to discuss.....

Ubers with sound
http://www.toontownfriends.com/toontown-discussion3997.html


If sound is used correctly I have no problem with it being used in any round and if there aren't any 15 laffers around.

Since that post I now have 2 Sids and 1 Moe so I can join in.... I would like to save them for a 4 uber toon run but hey...if I have them I'll use them.

A miss is a miss...lure or sound. Fire power and knowing which cog to target if you don't have sound is what I think is important.

On a recent CCG run a 60 something wanted to Fog... a sound uber 34 laff without fog and another 70 something toon (have no idea if they have sound).... talked her out of it. I think there were was a 9, 8 and 10 in the cog group... I didn't have that warm fuzzy feeling since the 60 toon was trapping the new left cog (working trap) and not killing it that her sound was Maxxed.

Of course, Brian's right, if sound is used properly, then it's not a big deal. It's up to those toons on the same side, I would guess.

Sandra is your uber carrying sound? It really is a whole new ballpark then. Some Duck is soundless and pppickles has maxed sound. I play the 2 ubers very differently. pppickles always chooses sound over lure if she's with big toons but Some Duck is just the opposite and chooses lure lol.

I guess it should be stated that I'm talking about 3 or 4 unlured cogs are out and ready to attack next round. If the newest one is the only one unlured then why blow a good thing...keep luring

At some point you will most likely have to try Lure a fresh set.....

As Always ....it depends on the actual situation at that time in the battle.

My uber, Lost Mittens doesn't have sound. She goes sad for a variety of reasons fighting the VP. I think that people are more wary of using sound with an uber and that wariness leads to switching gags or waiting until the last minute to choose and then not enough sound to kill being used. Lost Mittens doesn't encourage sound but if it is used, she will either choose a kill gag for one cog or pass if she can't kill.

Rhubarb doesn't encourage using sound when with ubers but if the uber encourages it, she will go along.

Rhubarb

If I'm on a CCG run, I'll always default to LLKR, regardless of which toon I'm on, because I want to reinforce the value, acceptance, and usage of that strategy. It really is the best way to keep ubers and other low laffers alive, especially those inexperienced in the VP. That said, if others are really insisting on a different approach, I'll often go along and support them with good teamwork rather than fight over tactics and end up choosing incompatible gags.

Incidentally, it's not so much a concern about sound missing on the cogs in front of you. You know what those are, and you know what you're facing if sound misses. The real concern is if sound hits and kills them all, but then lure misses on the next set. Since you don't know what that next set will be, you have no idea how dangerous it might be.

My approach changes considerably if it's not a CCG run. If I'm on a big toon sided with ubers or other low laffs, my priority is making my gag selection work with whatever everyone else is doing. If you wound a cog, try to ensure it dies. Otherwise, keep 'em lured. If others want to sound I'll only argue with it if I know we can't kill all (or at least most) of the cogs, or if an uber argues with it. I usually defer to the strategy choices of an uber if they are making themselves clear.

My strategy changes again if I'm with friends. If I know they have plenty of playing experience, I'm more flexible and less cautious in my playing style, especially on my own ubers. It also makes a difference that I'm there more to have fun than to win. I mean, I'm trying to win of course, but if I'm having fun, then going sad because gags miss (whether sound or lure) doesn't bother me at all, while going sad because of randoms who don't yet know strategy can get frustrating after a while.

Kevin

That makes sense. I would definitely feel comfy going with sound when with friends (I do not have sound myself). I know from experience that I can survive that first hit from the first level 12

But, I think you are right that sticking with the standard strategy is a good teaching/training tool. I just don't know what to do sometimes when there are 4 low level cogs sitting there. Hate to waste a gag (Jellybeans don't grow on trees!) but hate to pass and look like a loafer.

I usually go for the LLKR strategy but after doing the 4 man VP in the amazing race, I altered some of my strategy when playing Brat. I have for personal reasons only played Brat while on TTF runs. The only 2 times I have gone sad is because lure failed on the big skeles. Brat doesn't have sound but she's special as she was partially made before the update and only lacks the last track for sound in the brrgh with still only 50lps. On the 6 man runs with TTF lately I have been in a low laff vator. Through speed chat I've altered the strategy some to where we always take out the biggest cog even if it's the new one that come out. It's upped my win percentage, by leaving those level 1s and 2s that come out with the 12 on the first run and gotten all of us through the cog round and works really well on the skele round too. As for sounding, if we are short on the other side and we are just getting lil cogs then I'll suggest sound, but otherwise I would prefer either LLKR or the big cog strategy.

Was in a CCG run last night with Hap E Dawg ( 35 laff sound uber). I was on Varmint. Cog round we were sided with a 55 and someone else around 100. We used the LLKR and had to coach the 55 in going for the same cog. We ended up fine. Then the skellie round.... The lower laffers of the group besides Hap E were sided together and the 105+ and the uber were together. We took out the First skellie using lure and throw....the new row came out and so did Hap E's Fog! We blew thru them cogs quick! 4 rounds and we were done which I believe it helped the other side with their load. It seemed everyone on my side was surprised on how quick we had completed the skellie round.

I think that If an uber uses sound, it's just fine! If the uber does'nt use the strongest sound gag, the cogs(most likely) won't gang up on them. Unfortunalely, this doesn't apply if all the toons use the same gag anyway, granted the other toons use stronger sound gags, the ubers should be just fine using sound.