Let's ***DEBATE*** the Octopus Tradition.

Rubberboots · Rubberbootsian Age: 43 Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 186

misterchippergigglequack :

My post from the first page was quoted again and AGAIN, it was not to support anyones argument Debate position, it was just another PERSONAL jab to get me to respond again

Is this what you're talking about?

Rubberboots :

misterchippergigglequack :

IMHO the throwing of it on the ice IS a tradition

"IMHO the throwing of it on the ice IS a tradition"

Is that right? Then why sanitize "it"? Why not call "it" what "it" is?

Of course the three questions above are rhetorical. You answered the questions before they were ever asked.

How is that a personal attack/jab/insult?

I find it interesting when people say something but the way they say it seems to belie the words they're saying. I was commenting on that and if you felt personally attacked then I don't know what to say to that.

And I don't recall if I pointed this out or not, but at one time I meant to: You never did call it what it was; a dead octopus.

Queen Thunderthud · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: View Single Post

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[quote="Rubberboots"]Queen Thunderthud,

A few quick points: I didn't say octopi were equal to humans, I said it was disgraceful that supposedly enlightened creatures such as humans would fling around the dead body of anything (even if it's not soft and cuddly) for amusement (or luck, or whatever). I'm actually astounded at how many people here don't get that.

Think back to the bunny: How would you have felt and reacted if some neighborhood kid had found it first and was throwing it around the street and when confronted about it he/she said "What's the big deal? It's a tradition my family has and it brings us luck. Anyway, it's only a rabbit! If you and your kids don't like it then you shouldn't be looking at it!"? I don't know about you but if it happened on my street I would put a stop to it.

The comparisons came up when it was essentially stated that who cares, it's only an octopus and we're (humans) above them. My point was that if apples are better than oranges then where do the comparisons end.

I didn't call you worthless, I said that to the octopi you are worthless. You're not seriously trying to dispute that, are you?

I'm not waving signs or writing petitions. I'm voicing my opinion on something that bothers me.

John Kerry hasn't been relevant in 4 years, and you remember that you disagreed with me on something pertaining to him??? Is that what this is really all about?

Have I been smug and/or disrespectful? I probably have been. Has everybody/anybody been that way to me? Heavens no!! Rolling Eyes

Or maybe there has been the odd person with a 4 year old axe to grind that maybe didn't come off as pleasantly as she thought she did.

And this whole thing didn't start with knocking anybody's team. It started with somebody saying Person is great and I responded with I don't think Person is great at all! Here's why! and rather than accepting that yeah, maybe that wasn't so great of him, excuses were made and WE ARE SO GREAT!! and YOU'RE JUST SORE LOSER was screamed. How should somebody respond to that? Should it be ignored? If so then why should that just be ignored but anything/everything I say be disputed?

Maybe people didn't get your point because it was slathered with personal attacks to other people's posts, dripping with sarcastic arrogance.

No, this is not a 4 year old axe to grind... Yes, I remember it however, because you were just as mean with your posts on that subject. I was just saying to LadyZ, about a month ago, maybe I was wrong about thinking you were a mean person... Seeing your way of "debating" on this subject, reminded me of the last "debate", and in my mind, confirmed it.

What is odd to me, is that we actually seem to feel the same way regarding the flinging of (live or) dead entities, yet in regards to reading your posts, you seem to put the octopi far above any human's feelings.

I never claimed to come off as pleasant... I am not trying to be "pleasant." I am the "odd person person with a 4 year old axe to grind?" LOL... Wow. That's what you come up with in response to what I, and many others, had to say?

*throws hands in the air*

You win. Yay you. I'm done on this subject. No sense beating a dead ~~horse~~, er, octopus.

Rubberboots · Rubberbootsian Age: 43 Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 186

Queen Thunderthud :

Maybe people didn't get your point because it was slathered with personal attacks to other people's posts, dripping with sarcastic arrogance.

No, this is not a 4 year old axe to grind... Yes, I remember it however, because you were just as mean with your posts on that subject. I was just saying to LadyZ, about a month ago, maybe I was wrong about thinking you were a mean person... Seeing your way of "debating" on this subject, reminded me of the last "debate", and in my mind, confirmed it.

What is odd to me, is that we actually seem to feel the same way regarding the flinging of (live or) dead entities, yet in regards to reading your posts, you seem to put the octopi far above any human's feelings.

I never claimed to come off as pleasant... I am not trying to be "pleasant." I am the "odd person person with a 4 year old axe to grind?" LOL... Wow. That's what you come up with in response to what I, and many others, had to say?

*throws hands in the air*

You win. Yay you. I'm done on this subject. No sense beating a dead ~~horse~~, er, octopus.

Hmm, you posted in a manner that I didn't find combative and I responded in kind. I didn't come anywhere close to insulting you. (At least that is my estimation. If yours differs I'd like to know where)

In your response I get a rough count of 3 personal attacks/insults and one flip remark intended to incite negative feelings. Is that about what you count too, or did I miss one or two? Confused

Lady Petunia Purplepop · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: View Single Post

[quote="Queen Thunderthud"]

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[quote="Rubberboots"]Queen Thunderthud,

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You win. Yay you. I'm done on this subject. No sense beating a dead ~~horse~~, er, octopus.

ROFL....yes, I am taking this out of context, I try very hard to lighten the mood everywhere I go, it's my gift, LOL. But that is a new way to look at it, beating the Octopus or Octopi rather than picking one up at your local fish market.

Now would it be any different here if lets say...whomever picked up said Octopi off the ice, would them consume them for food? Is that acceptable then? I never thought about Z's point though in using a rubber one, that would be an option I suppose. But then, is this debate about the fact that we are using "real" ones or is it whether or not said behaviour should occur? That no one should throw anything on the ice? It does take time away from the game as they have to have someone go and pick them up off the ice before the game can resume.

I have not really heard any valid arguements here that would be reason (for myself) to change my position on the issue, which is why debates occur; or at least that was my assumption. I learned may moons ago that not only I am entitled to my opinion but so is everyone else. How boring would this thread be really if we all agreed to throw Octopi or to not throw it...thinking it wouldn't have gone very far and all the posts and responses would just have supported that. ie, oh I agree with (fill in the blank).

I can't get angry at someone for voicing their opinion yet alone for having one, it's theirs alone whether or not I am in agreement upon it makes no difference. I am, however, sad that anyone (not pointing fingers at anyone) can attack someone for their views (really just how important is a dead octopus?). I know that there had been a thread on here a while back about remembering that there is actually a person behind a toon...well that rings true here also...there is a person behind a screen name. No need to sling hurtful things at people, what does that prove...certainly isn't supporting your cause or belief just is showing that there is no support behind said belief.

I was under the impression (I may be wrong...has happened on many occasion and I have many people to remind me of that daily) that in a debate you should have information to support your cause and/or belief, not just personal opinion. So in looking back at these posts I see that this really isn't a "debate" it is an arguement to see who can take the heat and who can't...basically if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen I guess sortof thing.

It does nothing but break down a person and hurt when we (I use this term loosely as well as collectively...we as the members of TTF) are spiteful and degrading to others. Whose to know how loosely or tightly wound someone is on here and even using a little sarcasm and stuff like that can hurt them. I would hate to think that anything that I or anyone else would say could cause the breakdown of someones self esteem.

I have had fun with it all, but I learned a long time ago not to take anything here personal...but in the beginning when I was first new to TTF and got in a "discussion" with someone I did get my feelings hurt...wore them on my sleeve at that point and after a few years found out who I could and couldn't be transparent with. I would hate that someone new to TTF may get sucked into something that they have no idea what to prepare themselves against, too sad. But in defense of this thread...it is your option to discuss or not to discuss...no one is forcing anyone to participate, sometimes temptation to respond is a difficult thing at best to resist.

I will put in my disclaimer on this one...I am too blonde to purposefully sling anything at anyone so if I have done that it was quite by accident, no hurtful statements were made on purpose, LOL.

Oh yes, I did find out today today though that not only did the 8 tentacles represent the 8 games that had to be won years ago...but it was also representative of the 8 original hockey teams. You can either love it or hate it, makes no difference to me or probably to any of those Octopi throwing fans out there...in fact it's my guess that if they read these posts they would all think that we need to get a life and probably thinking what the heck is TT?!?

Rubberboots · Rubberbootsian Age: 43 Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 186

Lady Petunia Purplepop :

Now would it be any different here if lets say...whomever picked up said Octopi off the ice, would them consume them for food? Is that acceptable then?

Not to me. You're still desecrating the dead body of an intelligent animal for amusement.

LadyZ · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: OH WELL View Single Post

misterchippergigglequack :

LadyZ :

BTW I think Boots said it very well in his last post. Why not take the time to go back and read the thread with things in context and without reacting to single words? You may find you see things differently. Confused

YEAH...HMMM..Tried that... and it still comes out the same....ONE person attacks everyone else that disagrees and EVERYONE else is wrong?

My post from the first page was quoted again and AGAIN, it was not to support anyones Debate position, it was just another PERSONAL jab to get me to respond again...KUDOS you won!

Interesting how people can read the same thing and come up with totally different opinion. Well, our differences are supposed to be what makes the human race great, right? News for all - differing opinion doesn't make an attack - and if so then everyone in this thread is guilty. It's true that if someone thinks their position is right that a consequence of that would be that they believe others are wrong. That's what makes a debate - whether it is with proof or opinion. I actually DID change my position on this after discussing it earlier and that's why I thought it would be a good debate. I'm not saying anyone else has to - part of the fun of a debate is trying to convince others of your position. If you don't find that fun, more power to you -- but WHY are you in this thread??? I went to great lengths to separate it from the other posts and to be clear what the thread was. You were invited to stop responding if you didn't want to participate. You were informed - in advance - that anything you posted would be debated. Why, then, is it a surprise that it happened that way? Confused

So you say (whoever) won?? How so? No one forced you to type anything here. Quoting your post (which you were not forced to make) was NOT a personal jab at you. Suggesting you read the thread objectively is just that, a suggestion, since I don't believe many have done that. Saying I don't think many have done that is not an insult - it is my opinion. Take it or leave it and don't feel forced to post in response.

Now based on agreement by TTF staff this thread will be closed, as the topic seems to have run its course. Being the only staff member on site at the moment I will do it myself. Have a good day. Smile

Doctor Skids · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: View Single Post

I've been busy. I got a promotion at work, and I'm now working on getting a few certifications to earn it.

As for this thread? Debate away, personal attacks should be kept out of it.

I personally think think octopi are wicked cool, and they are seemingly pretty smart. If you watch Discovery channel at all they have documentaries on them now and again.